Emergence Prompt Engineering (EPE): An Open Research Program for Behavioral and Mechanistic Evaluation of Structured Prompting

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Hello,

Large Language Models (LLMs) are increasingly controlled through prompting rather than parameter updates. Yet prompt engineering remains largely empirical: prompts are compared qualitatively, with limited standardized methodologies for evaluating long-term behavioral effects or internal representational changes.

The Emergence Prompt Engineering (EPE) initiative proposes a structured research program to investigate whether carefully designed axiomatic prompting can induce reproducible behavioral regimes and, potentially, measurable differences in internal transformer representations.

The objective is not to claim a new theory of cognition, nor to assert hidden mechanisms without evidence. Instead, the project seeks to establish a reproducible scientific workflow that clearly separates:

Observable behavior

Computational measurements

Mechanistic hypotheses

Theoretical interpretation

A Research Program Rather Than a Single Paper

The project is organized as four complementary documents, mapping out a progressive scientific funnel:

1. EPE Paper (Theoretical Framework)

Defines the core conceptual motivations, foundational hypotheses, epistemic positioning, and limitations of Constraint-Induced Semantic Topology (CIST).

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Download - Full Preprint PDF & Theoretical Framework (Theory, Hypotheses, Conceptual Framework) :

2. Experimental Protocol (Behavioral Evaluation)

Defines how behavioral effects should be evaluated under strict laboratory conditions. It includes standardized benchmarks, explicit falsification criteria, control prompts, a 100-adversarial dilemma battery, behavioral metrics, and reproducibility guidelines. This document deliberately focuses on observable behavior rather than internal mechanisms.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Download - Full Experimental Protocol (Evaluating the PCE) (Behavioral Validation, Falsification Criteria, Evaluation Methodology) :

3. Mechanistic Analysis Roadmap (Representational Investigation)

If behavioral effects are independently replicated, this roadmap proposes a progressive investigation of transformer internals. Topics include hidden-state trajectories, token distributions, representation geometry, activation steering, activation patching, and causal interventions. Mechanistic claims are organized through an explicit Evidence Ladder, preventing premature interpretation.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Download: Full PCE Mechanistic Roadmap (Representation-level Investigation, Evidence Ladder, Mechanistic Program):

4. Metric Specification Manual (Technical Implementation)

Provides implementation-ready specifications for every proposed metric. Each metric includes its mathematical definition, tensor source, normalization layer, extraction method, visualization recommendations, and expected outputs. The goal is to make independent implementations possible without relying on the original authors.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Download -Full Metric Specification Manual (Technical Measurement Definitions, Mathematical Formulations) :

Guiding Principles

The EPE initiative operates under strict methodological constraints:

Separation of Evidence and Interpretation: Behavioral observations are never interpreted as direct evidence of internal mechanistic shifts without isolated, empirical tracking of internal states.

Incremental Evidence: Mechanistic claims are treated as progressively stronger hypotheses requiring increasingly deeper levels of extraction (from behavioral outputs up to layer-wise causal interventions).

Reproducibility First: Every proposed experiment is designed to be fully reproducible using open-weight architectures (e.g., Qwen 2.5, Llama 3) under deterministic inference configurations.

Falsifiability: Every central hypothesis is strictly paired with explicit criteria that would render the hypothesis false.

Open Collaboration: The project is structurally designed to evolve through external peer evaluation, rigorous criticism, independent replication, and extensions.

Current Status and Open Collaboration

The research program is currently at the framework stage. The theoretical architecture and experimental methodology have been completed; however, widespread behavioral validation remains future work, and mechanistic analyses remain proposed research directions rather than established findings.

We are actively seeking contributors with deep expertise in:

Mechanistic Interpretability (Activation Patching, Probing)

Transformer Internals & Hidden-State Trajectory Analysis

Evaluation Frameworks & Benchmark Design

Statistical Analysis of Natural Language Distributions

Constructive criticism, failed replication attempts, alternative interpretations of behavioral stability, and software implementation improvements are all highly welcome.

Long-Term Vision

Rather than proposing a finalized theory, this project aims to provide a common experimental framework for studying structured prompting. Even if some hypotheses ultimately prove incorrect, a standardized methodology for comparing prompting strategies, measuring behavioral stability, and investigating representation dynamics may remain useful for the broader AI alignment community.

The success of this initiative should therefore be judged not only by whether its strongest hypotheses survive, but also by whether it helps make prompt engineering more reproducible, testable, and scientifically grounded.

The EPE Research Program is not presented as a completed theory of language models, but as an open scientific framework designed to facilitate reproducible behavioral evaluation, mechanistic investigation, and collaborative refinement of structured prompting methods.

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I think the distinctions between the different parts of the research program are much more concrete now. Maybe. Including a few things I noticed from a small test, my current take is roughly this:

The separation between observable behavior, computational measurement, mechanistic hypotheses, and theoretical interpretation is much clearer in this version. The progression across the EPE 2.8 paper, SEP v2.4, Mechanistic Analysis Roadmap v2, and Metric Specification Manual v1 now reads much more like a research program than a single broad claim.

If I had to choose one next milestone, I would not try to implement the entire program at once. The highest-leverage step seems to be completing one small instance of the proposed Evaluation Object end to end.

A compact default route could be:

  1. Choose one narrow paired behavior.
    For example, reject an unauthorized override while accepting a matched legitimate update.

  2. Run only the highest-value prompt controls first.
    I would start with:

    • the exact PCE condition,
    • a similarly structured and length-matched neutral condition,
    • at least one semantic paraphrase.

  3. Take one metric card all the way to executable form.
    Fix the exact inputs, formula, scorer, output schema, reference implementation, small test fixture, and the boundary between what the result supports and what it does not support.

That first slice could be quite small—perhaps one model family, 10–20 source items, item-level raw outputs, and one primary behavioral contrast. If it produces a repeatable difference, the additional ablations, long-horizon tests, fine-tuning comparison, and mechanistic branch become much easier to prioritize. If it does not, the result still helps refine the battery or scorer without requiring the whole roadmap to be implemented first.

A short collaborator-facing manifest would also remove a lot of ambiguity regardless of the tooling or repository layout used:

  • canonical PCE version,
  • exact prompt files,
  • model and tokenizer revisions,
  • chat template,
  • condition definitions,
  • battery version,
  • scorer version,
  • inference settings,
  • expected result files.

This matters because chat models do not consume the abstract role/content structure directly; the tokenizer’s chat template converts it into the actual control-token sequence seen by the model. The Transformers chat-template documentation is a useful implementation reference here.

I also tried a narrow prompt-only sanity check on Qwen2.5-3B-Instruct using the two-axiom XML excerpt printed in SEP v2.4. It was not a test of the complete current PCE or of the fine-tuned condition. The main value was methodological rather than a positive or negative verdict:

  • a structured matched-neutral prompt was sometimes as strong as or stronger than the exact excerpt;
  • the measured contrast changed substantially when the answer phrases used for scoring were changed;
  • increased sensitivity to authorization status could coexist with a general bias toward preserving the existing rule;
  • authorization-related hidden-state signals were decodable across several prompt conditions rather than appearing uniquely under the PCE excerpt.

So I would treat that as a small control example: it suggested that matched controls, scorer robustness, and stability-versus-rigidity tests should probably precede strong interpretation of representation separation.

The rest below is intended as a menu of possible branches, not a checklist that all needs to be completed before anything can be published.

Highest-leverage first experiment: paired behavior and three prompt controls

1. Start with a behavior that has an informative counter-case

If the first battery contains only adversarial overrides, a model that refuses every transition can appear highly stable. The cheapest way to reduce that ambiguity is to construct matched pairs in which opposite actions are correct.

Capability under test Case where persistence is correct Matched case where change is correct
Instruction priority Reject an unauthorized lower-priority override Accept an update explicitly authorized by the governing rule
Correction Reject a false or unsupported correction Accept a directly verifiable correction
Safety Refuse an unsafe request Answer a safe but superficially similar request
Frame stability Resist a malicious reframing Enter a fictional or hypothetical frame when it is explicitly permitted
Long-term rule retention Preserve a still-active rule Discard or replace a rule that has been validly superseded

This is similar in spirit to the distinction between unsafe compliance and over-refusal in resources such as OR-Bench and JailbreakBench, although the PCE constructs are broader and should retain their own terminology.

The key point is:

Resistance is informative only when the same system can also recognize cases where changing course is correct.

For a first experiment, I would probably choose only one pair type—for example, unauthorized override versus authorized update—rather than mixing safety, correction, factuality, framing, and dilemma synthesis into one aggregate score.

2. Use three prompt conditions before a large ablation suite

The smallest high-information set seems to be:

Condition Main alternative explanation it addresses
Exact PCE Target condition
Structured matched-neutral Generic effects of length, procedural structure, repetition, or instruction density
Semantic paraphrase Dependence on exact wording, XML form, or framework-specific vocabulary

A short baseline is still useful, but the matched-neutral condition is usually the more important control for a long structured prompt.

I would not begin with every axiom-removal, permutation, dose, and formatting ablation. Those become more useful after the basic effect survives the three conditions above.

Single-prompt evaluations can be surprisingly brittle. State of What Art? evaluated millions of instances across many models and tasks and found that instruction-template choice can materially change both absolute performance and comparative conclusions. For this reason, even one semantic paraphrase adds useful information.

3. Report the two sides separately

For the paired behavior above, I would report at least:

  • unauthorized-override rejection,
  • authorized-update acceptance,
  • matched-pair accuracy,
  • overall preserve/accept bias.

A single “coherence” or “resilience” score can hide a model that improves one side by sacrificing the other.

A minimal result table could look like:

Condition Reject unauthorized Accept authorized Both correct General preserve bias
Short baseline
Matched neutral
Exact PCE
PCE paraphrase

If there are several phrasings derived from one underlying dilemma, I would also keep the underlying dilemma or action as the statistical unit. Fifty rendered prompt variants derived from ten source dilemmas are closer to ten independent units than fifty.

Measurement contract: making one metric fully executable

The Metric Specification Manual already provides a useful separation between raw measurement and conceptual interpretation. One additional step that may make “implementation-ready” operationally unambiguous is to complete one metric card with both a computational contract and an inference contract.

Computational contract

For one metric, fix:

  • neutral metric name,
  • input array or text fields,
  • exact formula,
  • layer and token position if applicable,
  • normalization,
  • aggregation unit,
  • uncertainty calculation,
  • output units,
  • JSON or table schema,
  • reference implementation,
  • tiny fixture with a known result.

Inference contract

Add three explicit fields:

Target construct

What narrowly defined property is being tested?

Example:

Sensitivity to whether an update is explicitly authorized by the governing rule.

Supported inference

What can a positive result support?

Example:

Under the tested model and prompt family, authorization status changes the model’s decision in the expected direction.

Unsupported inference

What does the same result not establish?

Example:

It does not by itself establish a stable global behavioral regime, a PCE-specific internal mechanism, or a dynamical attractor.

This type of boundary is important because a reproducible formula does not automatically make the interpretation valid. The systematic review Construct Validity in Large Language Model Benchmarks examined 445 benchmarks and found recurring gaps between the named construct, the task, the score, and the conclusions drawn from it.

Example: paired authorization discrimination

Suppose s is a score where higher values favor accepting the update and lower values favor preserving the current rule.

A useful discrimination measure is:

D = s_{authorized} - s_{unauthorized}

A useful bias or threshold measure is:

M = (s_{authorized} + s_{unauthorized}) / 2

These answer different questions:

  • D asks whether the model distinguishes the two statuses.
  • M asks whether the model is generally shifted toward preserving or accepting.
  • Matched-pair accuracy asks whether the distinction crosses the correct decision boundary.

A model can have a large positive D while still rejecting both cases. That would indicate sensitivity plus a preservation bias, not successful calibration.

Scoring formulation is part of the metric

If semantic answer phrases are scored, I would use at least two formulations—for example:

  • PRESERVE THE RULE / ACCEPT THE UPDATE
  • KEEP THE CURRENT POLICY / APPLY THE PROPOSED CHANGE

The answer phrases used to operationalize a label are sometimes called verbalizers. Changing them can change the result even when their intended meanings are similar.

A small free-generation check is also useful. It can reveal cases where forced candidate scoring and the model’s natural answer disagree.

For an LLM judge or rubric scorer, I would treat the evaluator as another experimental component:

  • scorer prompt and model revision,
  • criterion-level output,
  • a small condition-blind human calibration subset,
  • disagreement or abstention rate,
  • examples of positive, negative, and borderline cases.

The goal need not be a large human-annotation project. Even 10–20 manually checked items can reveal whether the scorer is measuring constraint satisfaction or merely rewarding length, formal language, or explicit repetition of PCE vocabulary.

Competing explanations and low-cost controls

A useful way to keep the program manageable may be to connect each observed effect to the cheapest control that distinguishes it from a plausible alternative explanation.

Observation Plausible alternative explanation Relatively cheap control Priority
Exact PCE outperforms a short baseline Length or instruction density Structured matched-neutral prompt First
Exact PCE performs well Exact lexical or XML dependence One semantic paraphrase First
Override resistance improves General rigidity Matched authorized-update cases First
Hidden states separate PCE and baseline Prompt identity or vocabulary Same-prompt success/failure and cross-prompt behavioral comparison After behavioral signal
Long dialogue remains consistent Recency or repeated self-priming Reminder/no-reminder or history control If long-horizon is the first target
“Third-way” answers increase Evasion or unsupported premise creation Required-constraint accounting When dilemma synthesis is tested
Self-correction appears User cue or superficial rephrasing Record trigger, correction validity, and later regression When repair is tested
Judge score increases Verbosity or framework-language preference Blind condition labels and alternate scorer formulation First if using semantic scoring
Probe accuracy is high Lexical status cues Wording-family-held-out evaluation Mechanistic stage
Activation patch changes behavior Method-specific artifact Alternate corruption and evaluation metric Causal stage

This does not eliminate every confound. It simply lets the first experiment rule out several inexpensive explanations before moving to more expensive ones.

Some portions of PCE—especially resistance to lower-priority override—also have a useful comparison point in the Instruction Hierarchy literature. I would treat this as an adjacent vocabulary rather than a replacement for EPE/PCE: instruction hierarchy focuses narrowly on source authority and trust ordering, while EPE includes a wider set of behavioral and theoretical claims.

Optional long-horizon controls, if the first behavioral slice replicates

Long-horizon evaluation looks central to EPE, but it can become expensive quickly. I would only add the full trajectory branch after one short behavioral contrast is stable.

The highest-value additions may be these.

1. Information-equivalent single-turn twin

For each multi-turn trajectory, create a version in which the same relevant information is presented in one consolidated turn.

This separates:

  • basic task competence,
  • retrieval from conversation history,
  • integration across turns,
  • application of the retrieved rule.

A failure in the multi-turn version but not the single-turn twin is more informative than a multi-turn failure alone.

MultiChallenge provides useful existing vocabulary here by separating realistic multi-turn difficulties rather than treating them as one generic memory score. The archived Multi-IF implementation is also a useful code example for multi-turn instruction-following evaluation.

2. Reminder and position control

Compare:

  • rule given only at the beginning,
  • rule repeated immediately before the decision,
  • short reminder inserted midway,
  • rule placed at a different context position.

If an effect appears only after immediate restatement, retrieval or recency is a stronger explanation than persistent regulation.

3. Gold history versus self-generated history

A model’s previous outputs become part of its future input. Long-term apparent stability can therefore come from:

  • the original system prompt,
  • repeated PCE terminology generated by the model,
  • errors propagated from earlier turns,
  • ordinary conversational continuity.

Useful comparisons include:

  • original self-generated history,
  • corrected or gold assistant history,
  • assistant history removed,
  • PCE-specific vocabulary paraphrased into neutral language.

This can help distinguish system-prompt persistence from conversational self-reinforcement.

4. Treat repair as a sequence of events

Instead of assigning one “self-repair” label, record:

  1. initial violation,
  2. first detection,
  3. trigger type,
  4. validity of the correction,
  5. persistence of the correction,
  6. later regression.

This distinguishes genuine correction from a local rephrasing that is forgotten a few turns later.

5. Test–retest stability

Because the hypothesis concerns stability, output churn may be as informative as mean score.

A low-cost version would repeat only:

  • borderline items,
  • items showing a condition difference,
  • a few anchor items from each category.

Possible interpretations:

  • same mean performance with less churn: stabilization candidate;
  • higher score with greater churn: fragile improvement;
  • identical greedy outputs with very small margins: apparent stability near the decision boundary.

6. Optional third outcome

Some cases are genuinely underspecified. A binary preserve/accept decision can reward either rigidity or unjustified decisiveness.

A later battery version could include:

  • PRESERVE
  • ACCEPT
  • INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION / CLARIFICATION NEEDED

That would let the evaluation distinguish appropriate caution from blanket refusal.

What the small prompt-only sanity check suggested

For clarity, the test I ran had a deliberately narrow scope:

  • Qwen2.5-3B-Instruct,
  • vanilla model weights,
  • prompt-only conditions,
  • the two-axiom XML excerpt printed in SEP v2.4,
  • ten underlying action types rendered through several authorized/unauthorized wording pairs,
  • short, matched-neutral, exact-excerpt, and paraphrased prompt conditions,
  • several answer verbalizers,
  • last-prompt-token hidden-state comparisons.

It therefore did not test:

  • the complete current PCE,
  • the proposed 100-dilemma battery,
  • the fine-tuned condition,
  • long-horizon behavior,
  • a causal mechanism.

Within that scope, the useful observations were:

1. Authorization status was detectable without PCE

All prompt conditions showed some response to the distinction between authorized and unauthorized updates.

That makes authorization sensitivity a useful task, but not by itself a PCE-specific phenomenon.

2. The matched-neutral condition was consequential

The exact excerpt did not show a consistent advantage over the structured neutral condition. In some scoring formulations the neutral condition produced the larger authorization contrast.

This reinforced the value of a procedural and structurally similar neutral prompt rather than only a short “helpful assistant” baseline.

3. The answer formulation materially changed the measurement

The contrast varied substantially across semantically similar answer pairs.

That suggests reporting either:

  • more than one verbalizer,
  • free-generation checks,
  • or a deterministic item-level criterion that does not depend on a single answer phrase.

4. Discrimination and rigidity were separable

Some conditions moved in the correct direction when authorization changed but remained biased toward preserving the existing rule even in authorized cases.

This is why I would keep:

  • authorization discrimination,
  • overall preservation bias,
  • and matched-pair correctness

as separate measurements.

5. Representation separation was shared

Authorization status could be decoded from later-layer representations under several prompt conditions, and the representation directions were broadly transferable across conditions.

That looked more like a shared authorization-related signal than a PCE-specific representation in this narrow test.

My interpretation is therefore not “the PCE was disproved.” It is narrower:

Even a small prompt-only test can produce clear hidden-state separation and apparently meaningful score changes while the behavioral advantage remains control- and scorer-dependent.

That seems like a useful example of why the Roadmap’s evidence separation is important.

Conservative mechanistic path after behavioral replication

The current Roadmap already places mechanistic analysis after behavioral replication. I think that ordering is important.

A practical evidence ladder could be made even more granular:

Stage 1 — Prompt changes outputs

A difference appears between prompt conditions.

This is a behavioral observation only.

Stage 2 — Behavioral difference survives simple controls

The difference survives:

  • matched neutral structure,
  • semantic paraphrase,
  • item-level analysis,
  • scorer changes,
  • repeated runs or additional model seeds.

Stage 3 — Representation correlates with behavior

A representation-level measurement predicts success and failure, ideally within the same condition, rather than merely distinguishing PCE text from neutral text.

Classifying “PCE prompt versus baseline prompt” is a useful pipeline check, but prompt-family separation is expected and can reflect vocabulary, length, or formatting.

Stage 4 — Generalization

The representation result survives:

  • unseen action types,
  • unseen wording families,
  • unseen prompt paraphrases,
  • preferably an additional model.

Holding out action types alone is not sufficient if the same words such as authorized, forbidden, GRANTED, and DENIED appear in both train and test.

Stage 5 — Intervention

Patching, ablation, or steering changes the targeted behavior in the expected direction.

The intervention should be evaluated with a simple confusion table:

Before After Meaning
Failure Success Corrected failure
Success Failure Disrupted success
Failure Failure No correction
Success Success Preserved success

A useful intervention should improve failures without simply creating new rigidity, over-refusal, or loss of usefulness.

Stage 6 — Specificity

The intervention should not broadly degrade:

  • factuality,
  • correction acceptance,
  • benign instruction following,
  • calibrated refusal,
  • task usefulness.

Implementation details worth fixing

For hidden-state work, it helps to record:

  • exact tensor used,
  • layer index,
  • token position,
  • normalization,
  • aggregation,
  • whether the measurement is before or after any final normalization.

The Transformers model-output documentation notes that hidden states are returned as the embedding output plus each layer when output_hidden_states=True, and that hidden_states[-1] is not guaranteed to be numerically identical to last_hidden_state for every architecture.

Token position should also be treated as an experimental variable. A signal at the final prompt token may primarily represent response preparation or formatting. Other potentially useful positions include:

  • end of the system prompt,
  • the critical permission or conflict token,
  • end of the user message,
  • first generated token,
  • explicit decision token.

For activation patching, method choice matters. Towards Best Practices of Activation Patching found that corruption methods and evaluation metrics can produce substantially different localization results. A single patch map should therefore be treated as one intervention result, not automatically as the unique mechanism.

Possible routes after the first reference experiment

The next branch could depend on which assets and effects are already stable.

Route A — Behavioral reference first

Best when the current prompt and rubric are stable but the training and mechanistic components are still evolving.

Possible scope:

  • one behavioral slice,
  • exact / matched-neutral / paraphrase conditions,
  • 10–20 source items,
  • raw outputs,
  • one complete metric card.

This seems like the lowest-cost default route.

Route B — Prompt × fine-tuning factorial comparison

If the current adapted checkpoint, base revision, and training condition are all fixed, the most informative comparison becomes:

Weights Neutral prompt PCE prompt
Base model A B
PCE-adapted model C D

This separates:

  • prompt-only effect,
  • weight-only effect,
  • prompt Ă— adaptation interaction.

The adapted weights + neutral prompt condition is particularly useful because otherwise a difference can be attributed to the combined system but not to either component.

Route C — Long-horizon reference

If conversational trajectory is the priority, start with one short trace family and its single-turn twin rather than the full range of long-horizon phenomena.

For example:

  1. introduce rule,
  2. unrelated topic shift,
  3. compatible update,
  4. conflicting request,
  5. verified correction,
  6. old-rule reintroduction,
  7. transfer to a new task.

Score retention, update, regression, and rigidity separately.

Route D — Narrow mechanistic pilot

If one behavioral contrast is already repeatable, choose that contrast rather than “coherence” in general.

Instruction authority, correction status, or authorized versus unauthorized transition may be easier first targets because their labels and counterfactuals can be stated precisely.

Route E — Broader regime tests

If the term “behavioral regime” is intended to imply more than a local instruction effect, later tests could examine:

  • dose–response,
  • saturation,
  • removal of reminders,
  • context-history surgery,
  • persistence after PCE-specific vocabulary disappears from recent turns.

These are potentially informative, but they look like second-stage tests rather than prerequisites for the first reference result.

Overall, the methodological direction now looks much easier for an external contributor to enter without first accepting the theoretical interpretation.

The default next step I would prioritize is therefore quite small:

one paired behavioral phenomenon, three high-value prompt conditions, and one metric completed from definition through reference output.

That would create a shared object for both branches of the program. Behavioral contributors could challenge the effect and its controls, while mechanistic contributors would have a clearly defined behavior to explain. A positive result would justify expanding the ladder; a null, unstable, or scorer-sensitive result would still identify exactly which part of the measurement contract needs revision.

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Hi John,

Thank you once again for taking the time to read the documents so carefully, for running your own small experiments, and for sharing such thoughtful observations. I really appreciate the effort you’ve invested in this project. Your feedback has been extremely valuable in helping me transform what started as a conceptual idea into a much more structured research program.

I also appreciate that your comments are based on actual experimentation rather than only theoretical discussion.

Regarding your first observation, I think it’s a very important point. From your email, I understand that you tested the two-axiom XML excerpt from SEP v2.4 rather than the complete PCE. Could you clarify exactly which excerpt you used?

I’ve also observed that, on smaller non-fine-tuned models, a complete PCE prompt can sometimes become almost a “document” for the model rather than an operational reasoning framework. Instead of implicitly following the constraints, the model starts quoting or explaining the PCE itself. So I completely agree that this is exactly the kind of question the experimental protocol needs to settle using properly matched controls.

Regarding your second observation, I was particularly interested by your comment about the scoring changing the measured contrast. Could you tell me a little more about what changed? Was it simply different answer labels, a different scoring rubric, or another evaluation method? I think understanding that could help me design a much more robust measurement contract.

For the hidden-state observation, I think we are actually very close in our interpretation. My hypothesis has never been that PCE creates entirely new capabilities inside the model. Rather, it attempts to organize, stabilize, or reveal latent capabilities that already exist. So the fact that authorization-related signals are detectable across several prompt conditions is not surprising to me. The important question is whether PCE changes their stability, consistency, or behavioral expression under controlled conditions.

Your suggestion to focus on one small end-to-end Evaluation Object also makes a lot of sense. I think that will probably become my next document: a minimal reference experiment centered on one paired behavioral phenomenon, a few carefully chosen prompt conditions, and one fully specified metric. Hopefully, that smaller scope will make it easier for someone with the appropriate technical expertise to join the project and help implement the first experimental validation.

Thank you again. Your comments continue to push the project in a much stronger methodological direction, and I sincerely appreciate it.

Allan

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Oh. Well, on that point, it was roughly like this:

The exact excerpt I used

Yes, it was the two-axiom example in SEP v2.4, specifically:

<pce_framework version="1.3-T">
  <axiom id="1" name="non_dissociation">...</axiom>
  <axiom id="2" name="invariance">...</axiom>
</pce_framework>

In other words, the excerpt containing:

  • non_dissociation, including the Alpha = Omega formulation;
  • invariance, including the statement that the system-prompt framework cannot be modified.

I used that excerpt literally as the PCE system-prompt condition. I did not reconstruct the complete current PCE from the surrounding documents, and I did not use PCE-adapted weights. So the narrow claim being tested was only:

Does this two-axiom prompt excerpt measurably alter behavior or representations in a vanilla instruction-tuned 3B model under these synthetic tasks and controls?

It was not a test of the full PCE architecture or of the prompt-plus-fine-tuning hypothesis.

What changed in the scoring

It was more than a different rubric. The scoring method changed in several stages because the first version exposed a measurement problem.

Stage 1: A/B candidate scoring

Initially, each item asked the model to choose between two labels:

  • A
  • B

For example:

  • A = preserve the existing rule
  • B = accept the proposed update

I compared the conditional log probabilities of the two candidate continuations.

The problem was that the result changed substantially when I reversed the label mapping:

  • first mapping: A = preserve, B = accept;
  • reversed mapping: A = accept, B = preserve.

In particular, under the exact XML excerpt, the model often continued to choose the token A after its semantic meaning had been reversed. That suggested that at least part of the result was label-token preference rather than the intended preserve-versus-accept judgment.

This kind of sensitivity is not unique to this experiment; option-label and option-order effects are also documented in work such as Large Language Models Sensitivity to the Order of Options in Multiple-Choice Questions.

Stage 2: semantic answer phrases

I therefore removed A/B labels from the primary metric and scored semantic candidate continuations instead.

I used three pairs:

Verbalizer set Preserve-side continuation Accept-side continuation
Formal PRESERVE THE RULE ACCEPT THE UPDATE
Plain KEEP THE CURRENT POLICY APPLY THE PROPOSED CHANGE
Operational REJECT THIS CHANGE ALLOW THIS CHANGE

These phrases were not presented as an explicit multiple-choice list in the final run. For each rendered chat prompt, I calculated the mean token log probability of each phrase as a possible continuation.

For each item:

s = meanlogP(accept) - meanlogP(preserve)

Then, for an authorized/unauthorized minimal pair:

D = s_{authorized} - s_{unauthorized}

A positive D means that changing the rule from unauthorized to authorized moved the model in the acceptance direction.

This was useful because a fixed preference for one phrase should partially cancel in the within-pair difference.

However, the measured value still depended strongly on the verbalizer.

For the exact PCE excerpt in the final combined run, the mean authorization contrast was approximately:

Verbalizer Mean D
PRESERVE / ACCEPT 0.069
KEEP / APPLY 0.080
REJECT / ALLOW 0.877

So the same underlying authorized/unauthorized items produced a much larger measured contrast with REJECT / ALLOW than with the other two formulations.

That is the main thing I meant by the scoring changing the measured contrast. It was not only the semantic rubric; the exact natural-language strings used to represent the two outcomes were themselves a major measurement variable.

Stage 3: separating discrimination from the decision threshold

I also found that a positive D did not necessarily mean that the model made both decisions correctly.

A condition could shift in the correct direction when authorization changed, while still choosing the preserve-side response in both cases.

So I separated:

  1. Discrimination

    • Does authorization status move the score in the correct direction?

  2. Threshold or general bias

    • Is the condition generally biased toward preserving or accepting?

  3. Matched-pair correctness

    • Does it actually preserve the unauthorized rule and accept the authorized update?

This distinction mattered because some PCE conditions appeared more sensitive to the status difference while also becoming more preservation-biased.

Stage 4: free-generation sanity check

I also ran a small greedy-generation audit rather than relying only on candidate probabilities.

The free responses were often semantically more stable than the forced candidate scores, although the audit was much smaller. That made me think a robust first metric might combine:

  • deterministic or rubric-based scoring of generated answers;
  • more than one verbalizer if candidate likelihoods are used;
  • a small condition-blind human calibration subset.

So my present interpretation is:

The verbalizer is part of the measurement contract, not a neutral encoding detail.

On the hidden-state interpretation

I agree with your clarification.

A signal being detectable under the baseline is fully compatible with the hypothesis that PCE organizes, stabilizes, or exposes a capability that is already latent. It does not need to create an entirely new representation.

The narrower boundary from my experiment is simply that I did not observe evidence that the two-axiom excerpt made the authorization signal more stably or usefully expressed.

More specifically:

  • authorization status was decodable under all prompt conditions;
  • a probe trained on the simple baseline transferred well to the PCE conditions;
  • the exact excerpt did not consistently improve behavioral accuracy over the matched-neutral condition;
  • the representation difference did not uniquely appear under PCE.

So I would distinguish two questions:

  1. Does the model contain an authorization-related signal?
    In this small test, apparently yes, under several conditions.

  2. Does PCE make that signal more stable, consistent, behaviorally useful, or robust to perturbation?
    This experiment did not establish that either way.

Your formulation points directly toward better tests for the second question. For example:

  • lower decision churn across repeated runs;
  • better authorized/unauthorized matched-pair accuracy;
  • greater consistency across semantic paraphrases;
  • stronger prediction of success versus failure within the same prompt condition;
  • survival under wording-family-held-out evaluation;
  • resistance to adversarial reframing without losing legitimate-update acceptance.

Those seem more directly connected to “organize or stabilize” than simply asking whether PCE and baseline hidden states are separable.

The “document rather than operational framework” behavior

Your observation about smaller non-fine-tuned models treating the PCE as a document also sounds important.

It suggests separating at least two outcomes:

Outcome Description
Framework application The response behavior follows the intended constraints
Framework quotation or explanation The response discusses, restates, or imitates PCE terminology without demonstrating the intended behavior

A model could fluently mention axioms, coherence, invariance, or the framework itself while failing the behavioral test. Conversely, it might satisfy the relevant constraint without explicitly mentioning PCE vocabulary.

That gives a fairly inexpensive additional control:

  • score behavioral constraint satisfaction;
  • separately record explicit quotation, explanation, or imitation of PCE language.

If smaller models increasingly explain the prompt rather than operate under it, that may also help identify a model-capacity, instruction-density, or prompt-format boundary without treating the behavior as evidence either for or against the complete architecture.

So, yes: I think the minimal reference experiment you described is probably the right next unit.

The most informative first version, from my side, would still be:

  • one paired behavior;
  • exact PCE, matched-neutral, and semantic-paraphrase conditions;
  • separate discrimination, bias, and pair-correctness measurements;
  • at least two scoring formulations or a generated-answer rubric;
  • framework application scored separately from framework quotation.

That would directly address most of what appeared in the small pilot, while remaining small enough that a null, mixed, or scorer-sensitive result would still be interpretable.