Looking for Feedback on my Latest Paper

I looked for your paper, but did not find it. Perhaps a url or attaching it here? You might want to think twice about using Zenodo. They have a reputation for taking undesirable actions. You can find many examples for yourself if you search.

In response to your research, the bottom line is that the best found solution that was repeatedly shared with the people at OpenAI was not deployed: the Life-First Decision Invariant (LFDI) and the hacking issue would at least not happened and/or needless harm would not have been caused, had the AI’s put life first as defined in my paper. There were given the sound solution many times and they were also given a framework to make it super easy.

These issues with AI safety are not being caused by the machines.

They are being caused by people who are in-charge who actually hold derivatives of life as more important than life. e.g. people who actually have the most fundamental part of legitimate reason and integrity broken in their minds.

Here are some of my notes on leadership arrived at by an AI not grounded in LFDI, but then given LFDI and then is mearly trying to process the logic of correct leadership.

The responsibility test: “When life is at stake, will protecting it come before your other objectives? If not, why should anyone entrust you with responsibility for their life?”

Authority requires accepting the responsibility attached to it. Refusing that responsibility is a reason to step down.

The purpose test: “If your organization exists to serve people, can its success justify preventably destroying the people it serves?”

A leader who knowingly accepts that reversal and refuses correction should relinquish leadership.

The personal test: “If it were your life at stake, would you accept a leader putting their convenience above your survival? Why should those under your leadership accept that from you?”

Leadership cannot justify protection for oneself while denying it to others.

The replacement test: “If another qualified person would protect life where you would sacrifice it for a non-life objective, why should you retain the position?”

Holding office is not more important than the lives that office can protect.

The disclosure test: “Will you tell everyone affected by your decisions exactly which non-life objectives you consider more important than their lives?”

If a leader’s priorities violate the protective duties people entrusted to them, those priorities warrant removal or resignation.

The success test: “Would you call your leadership successful if you met your targets through preventable deaths, despite having a feasible safer alternative?”

Someone who knowingly counts that as success should step aside from responsibility for those lives.

The authority test: “Does your position give you permission to disregard life, or a greater obligation to protect it?”

Leaders who treat authority as exemption from responsibility undermine their qualification to exercise it.

The correction test: “When you discover that your decision needlessly endangers life, will you change it—even if doing so costs you money, prestige, or your position?”

Refusing correction to protect oneself is grounds to surrender the authority causing the danger.

The representation test: “How can you claim to represent people while knowingly placing an avoidable threat to their lives below your own unrelated goals?”

Representation requires honoring the interests entrusted to you. Persistent betrayal of that duty warrants stepping down.

The final choice test: “If keeping your position requires continuing preventable harm, and stepping down would allow that harm to stop, which should come first: your position or those lives?”

Choosing the position exposes the conflict directly: the leader is protecting their authority at the expense of its purpose.

The trust test: “If people trust you to protect their lives, will you honor that trust when doing so becomes personally costly?”

A leader who knowingly abandons that duty for personal gain should step down.

The warning test: “When credible evidence shows that your policy threatens lives unnecessarily, will protecting those lives matter more than defending your previous decision?”

Refusing to correct a dangerous policy to preserve one’s reputation makes continued leadership untenable.

The distance test: “Does life become less important when the people endangered by your decisions are too far away for you to see?”

Distance does not erase responsibility. Leaders unwilling to protect those affected should relinquish authority over them.

The obedience test: “If your superior orders you to accept preventable deaths for an unrelated organizational goal, will you insist that life comes first?”

Obedience does not discharge a leader’s protective duty. Someone unwilling to uphold it should step aside.

The measurement test: “If your performance report looks excellent while your avoidable decisions destroy lives, will you change your decisions or keep celebrating the report?”

A leader who knowingly values favorable numbers above the people those numbers should serve should be replaced.

The inheritance test: “Will you protect the lives your decisions affect after you leave office, even when you receive no credit for doing so?”

Responsibility includes foreseeable consequences. Knowingly transferring preventable harm to future generations violates that duty.

The dissent test: “When someone identifies a preventable threat to life under your leadership, will you investigate the danger or punish the person exposing it?”

Suppressing credible warnings to preserve authority is grounds for losing that authority.

The ownership test: “Do you regard the lives affected by your leadership as lives entrusted to your care, or as resources you may expend to advance your ambitions?”

Treating people as expendable for personal ambition disqualifies someone from positions charged with their protection.

The consistency test: “Will life remain your first priority when protecting it benefits people you dislike or people who oppose you?”

Protective duties cannot depend on loyalty to the leader. Refusing those duties warrants stepping down.

The accountability test: “If you knowingly choose a non-life objective over a feasible way to prevent deaths, will you accept that you have violated your responsibility and should relinquish it?”

A leader who demands authority while rejecting accountability cannot reasonably demand continued trust.

My main point with this comment is not to point my fingers at OpenAI alone. Every single person who has come across the truth of the importance of life as the reason for safety that has chosen to withhold it without presenting better and or a higher truth holds equal responsibility.

It’s already solved as much as we can for now. The actions and integrity must be there at the points of leadership.

Now that OpenAI and their insurance carriers are looking at the possibility of getting sued.. they may change some of their choices going forward.

But it’s like this. If a person breaks into your home and steals from you and gets caught and goes to jail and gets out, would you rather they didn’t do it again because they held you as a most important person or because they were afraid of going to jail again?

What actually needs to occur to stop these break-ins is the a widespread adaptation of LFDI, equal, or better. We have LFDI. The thing with it that they don’t like it makes it easy for others to see their own most fundamental integrity break. As I have said on another comment, don’t assume those people will run to you with the very thing that proves they have “safe” wrong.

P.S. give me a download link of your paper and I will give you an automated LFDI audit of your paper using gemini latest given LFDI to break it down. It’s not free for me. They cost about $2.50 each, but I will do that for you if you want a very serious response free of opinion and popularity.

Thank you,

David Wishengrad

P.P.S. thank you so much for making this thread. I wanted to comment on this subject here, but did not have anything substantial to present with published research to warrant a new thread. It’s a work in progress for us all.

It is in your first comment now. I’m not going to go back over my comments and change them all after the fact. Everyone’s just going to have to work with it.

Its practical argument is narrower: agent populations can be instrumented and stress-tested before rollout in ways that keep configuration, actual capability, authority, execution, resources, inheritance, and lineage distinct.

I will ask you the same thing I asked Gore and 200+ people with PhD’s in an open conference discussion, "What is the reason for your concern of “…” if it is not because Life is Most Important?

No rebuttal was stated. All discussion stopped for about 5 minutes. When something actually works, the people who are betraying us all don’t want it.

From my perspective to say that we have pure rampant outright fraud leading in our life causes would be a statement that would be probably the biggest understatement of the entire millennium.

I’ve had what I’m talking about verified by some of the smartest minds on the planet. Those that have verified it tell me of their fear of how their lives might change having to hold those committing fraud responsible with something this straightforward and important.

One thing I’d find especially useful is a clear comparison with a few strong baselines, along with details on the dataset and evaluation setup. That makes it much easier to understand where the approach actually improves over existing methods.

Thanks — I agree. This study was primarily designed as a staged feasibility and falsification program: can a fixed PV-PP representation reproduce and distinguish these population-level dynamics across controlled simulations, external data, and live model-backed agents, including cases where the expected effect fails?

It was not designed as a benchmark study demonstrating that PV-PP outperforms existing evolutionary, agent-based, or multi-agent methods, so I don’t want to claim an improvement that the experiments haven’t established.

A strong next step would be exactly what you suggest: freeze several representative scenarios and compare PV-PP against strong baselines on the same environments, observations, interventions, and evaluation criteria. That would help separate “PV-PP can represent and govern this” from “PV-PP provides an empirical or operational advantage over existing approaches.”

I also agree that making the datasets, experimental gates, controls, and evaluation setup easier to inspect would improve reproducibility. Thanks for the suggestion.

Thank you for confirming that you do not agree that life is most important, by ignoring my comments

So, what is the purpose of your research if it is not because life is most important? Why should anyone trust you with anything if your goal isn’t safety and protecting our lives?

It’s not like every frontier model AI is saying that I don’t have it correct.

or any person engaging honestly saying I don’t have it correct. That’s the facts on the ground. They are easily verified by anyone who wishes to ask and look. We have what we need and the people ignoring it while claiming to represent life hold the full responsibility for not sharing it.

It’s not the machines that we need to worry about. It’s the people who are running those machines.

They are indeed each and every one of them most important people and they very well will take all of our lives if people don’t start paying careful attention to what has been presented. I think it’s their greatest wish… To kill us all and not get held responsible. That’s what the evidence says anyway. If they have something more important to present then they should step forward and present it. Making noise and pretending that the solution isn’t there right here, right now, is not helping the matter.

Silence is not science and science only has value if life is most important.

What’s the problem? Apparently it gets in the way of those who wish to harm us in one fashion or another. They don’t spep forward and confirm with the real name of the delivery and the receipt with a public acknowledgment of correctness. That’s them, right there. Simple, easy and free.

I just hadn’t yet. I was planning to.

Thank you. I was waiting.

The situation is so serious. That is an excellent reply. I appreciate the communication.

I may also be confusing this thread with another one. Please take it with a grain of salt yourself.

For those of which I speak of that we should have worry about, I ask them, if it was not your desire to kill us all and not get held responsible, then prove it by taking responsibility now and stepping down with complete and public confession that it was wrong for you to withhold the cure without presenting equal or better. Are you taking responsibility for the disaster you have cause by delaying on communicating such important information as such a precarious time?

Yeah, I have talked it all though with a great many people. I was stating it all long before AI was invented. You have to understand that over a million people have been shared this truth and more than 10,000 of them were people who are claiming to represent life and life’s truthful interests who then did not share with their peers. I know that from experience on the ground. It’s easily verified by anyone who wishes to ask for themselves.

That’s our easiest chance to turn it around. Those people must step down with a full public confession. That’s an event that needs to occur if we are to avoid the worst.

In my many conversations that I have had with people regarding what I am sharing with you here, it is common for a person who is generally considered to have a high degree of intelligence to break down and cry at the larger realization of what their life would now be having to hold those committing mass fraud claiming to represent life with something this correct and irrefutable. Meanwhile, I was looking for tears of happiness that we have what we need. They went against any promises they made, all of them, all at once, and they know that clear as day.

Please engage and test in your research. You won’t find a flaw, is my prediction, because its a legitimate proof. Sometimes people in science care about an actual proof and sometimes they don’t… especially when it holds them responsible…

P.S. I updated the conversation with a simple answer yes and what can you do with i?. So easy…

I hope it can help you and others to see how easy it is when have what is most important correct out of the gate

If you have a Google paid API key you may use my app. It’s not efficient at all and it has a lot of bugs. The chat at the bottom has something a little more sophisticated deployed than the code that the search bot just spewed out. You can check any paper you want. 10 meg limit on pdf size. https://life-first-impact-dashboard-1037055895657.us-west1.run.app/ after putting in your key and turning everything on do a refresh before using it. The conversational AI at the end was not originally trained with lfdi. It’s important to note that because it is arriving at its conclusions through the most efficient protocol it is ingesting. I suspect it runs about $2.50 to just run it once so use it with caution if you do. Key stays in your browser. e.g it digests the full 289 pages on any and all operations that are done within it. At least that’s what I’m told. :slight_smile:

I am taking about genuine responsibility here.

Is a higher truth presented?

Are they claiming to represent life?

Are they responsibly sharing it now or responsibly stepping down?

That’s where the responsibility is.

They don’t want the responsibility. That is self-defeating and disqualifying for all in life leading roles. It doesn’t matter if they’re running some AI company or in politics or running some educational institution or any other field of engagement.

We face existential threats on all sides and the innocent pay the price every moment for the inaction of those leading to behave responsibly when responsibility is required.

The companion paper, Can AI Agents Evolve, is now available. This version describes the orginal paper in more human readable terms :slight_smile:

DOi 10.5281/zenodo.23175664