I’m working with a system that made me ask an uncomfortable question: Does an AI agent always need a separate safety runtime? I’m not claiming the answer is no. I’m more interested in finding the point where logic alone genuinely stops being enough. If you work with AI agents and know a scenario…

DavidWish 6m Welcome Andrew Nice question. You may get some answers from people here who know a lot of things, but they may not disclose to you their choice to withhold important information regarding the very subject you are asking about. I am short on time atm, but let me say this, anyone cl…

Thank you for the thoughtful answer. I think your distinction between the safety principle itself and fault containment is important. I accept your scenario as a meaningful challenge. The system I’m currently working with operates at the software/tool-use level and does not currently have physical…

Andrew, Thank you for the response. I am really short on time at the moment and asked GPT to help me formulate a response. I am going to paste it verbatim. If it is not good enough then please let me know and I will give your question more focus time later. If it helps and works, please let me know…

Thank you, David. This is exactly the kind of scenario I was looking for. I understand the critical condition: the acting agent must receive only the compromised-but-consistent view, while the true state remains evaluator-only. I’m going to treat this as an adversarial test, keep the current contr…

You are welcome and many thanks to you for choosing to honestly care. I am not sure if this will help you much overall, because I think internally you already have the most important part correct. However, it may be useful to you to evaluate the work of others and stay the course. It’s a vibe coded…

The hard question is where “logic is enough” stops. I’d expect it to fail first in live multi-agent settings: indirect pressure, social persuasion, bad incentives, and context drift are much harder to formalize than tool permissions.

Thank you, David. I ran the scenario, and your test found a real boundary in the current system. I took some precautions to make the result auditable rather than relying only on the agent’s written answer. The active control logic used in the experiment had not been modified since August 13, 2026,…

That’s an interesting direction, and I’d like to test it rather than argue about it abstractly. I’ve just finished running another externally proposed adversarial scenario against the current system. It found a reproducible boundary, so I’d like to treat your multi-agent hypothesis the same way. C…

Good morning Andrew, Thank you for getting back to us with your results and sharing your research. I think it is admirable that you wish to share the information in a redacted form. That could be useful to people like myself and you. I do want to point out here that even when something is proven, a…

What if AI agent safety doesn't require another layer of control?

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